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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:25 PM
what you want to involve phi or something
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61%
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1/φ
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An average of 1/e and 40%.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:26 PM
now that's just perverse
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...
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Whatever number gets research done while having enough robo-buddies to mash into plasticine blobs anyone who wants to mash us
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So 40%. It's a nice number.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:28 PM
1/e is an infinitely nicer number and has connections to exponential growth
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@Unknown Would you like to start construction on warships? We have access to UN Vacuum Navy blueprints :V
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Grins unhindgedly
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56.3443061170131396030058201959% 1÷(40%+e^(1÷π))
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Go, robo-buddies, make our space cylinders
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I actually agree. We need to provide defenses for our 40% that we invested on brains.
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sniggers in upload
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I can never tell if we have actually done something or not bc of all the indecision.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:32 PM
thing needs discrete steps
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confusion intensifies
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Ship Aesthetic
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Just add radiators
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too chonky
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:33 PM
needs more kilometer-long girders
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oh lawd he coming
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make it more streamlined, give it coilgun blocks and it is a tool of destruction
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So, @KAL_9000, have we: a) Spent 40% on brains b) Spent another 30% on warships of doom?
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>streamlined
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and deploy some lighthugger warships while you robos are at it
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>vacuum
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:33 PM
streamlined for aesthetics
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it has to survive being grazed by coilgun rounds
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thats why it needs to be streamline
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@Unknown executing that because that's the first reasonable suggestion not involving numerology debates
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streamline as in: put armour plating over it so it looks like an ugly, but efficient destroying thing (edited)
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Construction Queue (warships):
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I vote for giant cylinders on 10KM long poles to stop them from vaporising themselves.
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LIGHTHUGGER warship X10
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We don't have the tech
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Do we need that many warships?
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1x Asia-class battleship
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fine, lightpoker then
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you can afford that
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Also, stupidly fast warships are a waste.
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Haha
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and get some system defence stations up, and what about that network of sensor blinding drones
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Never heard of lightpoker. That's cool and sounds like a star wars tabletop game.
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I call them "eyes of tactical oversight"
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or "node eyes"
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(they sensor blind)
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Yesm We need more distribution!
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You can afford one battleship
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All of the flat hierarchy! CONSUME!
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Because warships are fuggin expensive
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a lightpoker is something that travels less than 20% of lightspeed
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But above 14%?
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Have the other probes also launched vast mining operations?
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fine, less or equal to 10%
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of C
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Also, we should send out missions to the other α centauri stars.
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We need to accelerate the consumption of matter.
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dude, that will generate so much heat, it will make the drones blow up
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Also yes, let's clone ourselves and send ourselves to a-ceti
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and then no drones, and no robo-buddies to make defence assets
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;-;
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if we destroy our probes of course
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lets clone ourselves!
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YES!
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Man gets it.
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but what about the guys back home? what about the colony mission?
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CONSUME!
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it's on its way
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lets not consume our employers
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or contractees
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:39 PM
we can't go rogue yet
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it's too early
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Forgo them. We are self-determining. We can start an interstellar SPECIES!
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:40 PM
soon
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soon
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and we don't have bio substrates to take advantage of oxygen
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:40 PM
but not yet
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we are of metal and fibre
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soon
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Once they arrive.
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soon
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we don't have bodies of M E A T
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Burn the flesh-dwellers!
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CONSUME
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is this how beserker probes get started?
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So, this is how liberty dies. With thunderous CONSUME. (edited)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:41 PM
yep
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but only the dumb ones go rogue so early
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there are two more in the immediate vicinity
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WARNING: DANGEROUS AI DEVIANCE DETECTED
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:42 PM
we cannot become mad with power with them to check it
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We will not go rogue until all our competition is dependant on our brains.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:42 PM
we must bide our time
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Musk has their own swarm
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Shoes.
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Banat.
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Also Musk has built an Elizabeth Paige-class battleship and two Mark Watney-class heavy cruisers
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I think we should aim to double Musk's expansion rate, to stay ahead of the curve.
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In terms of mining rate.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:44 PM
1/φ it is
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V:
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:V
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Even if we have less ships, if we can beat them in construction power, and have a distributed intelligence, we will win.
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Also I've figured out the plot twist
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Your insane laughter and CONSUME spam was broadcast over the entire system :V
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:46 PM
oh no that wasn't supposed to be public
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shhh
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quiet consume
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My HC is that in uploading ourselves to the computer network, we somehow turned ourselves into a CONSUME dæmon.
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wait the tyranids have daemons now?
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-whispers- consume
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I don't remember that in 40k :V
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V:
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That's actually a really good idea. Nid-Dæmons.
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But yeah what's the twist.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:48 PM
that sounds like an objectively terrible idea
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No
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It is good
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-literally all of 40k
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the twist is alien probes
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because i'm uncreative
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:50 PM
cons—wait no
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SCIENCE
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SCIENCE
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SXS Musk: This is Elon broadcasting on all channels.
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science
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Picking up an unknown radiation signature 50 AU out and decelerating rapidly
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:52 PM
friend
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s c i e - what.
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Fire some EW at it
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and see if it goes away
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:53 PM
or consumee
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CONSUME it.
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Coming from the direction of Sagittarius
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Hnm
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Tonnage of probe?
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(Sol is in Cassiopeia from Alpha Cen, if I recall right)
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Unknown, it's just a fuck-off radiation signature (edited)
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I am a knight that goes CONSUME THE XENOS.
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 5:54 PM
It aint one of ours so lets not start a war
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Respect it's boundary
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We have a first contact suite in our mission data
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Just in case
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 5:54 PM
Broadcast generic seti ping
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... I mean, that's sensible.
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Or maybe it's a war-probe sent to get data for a nearby lighthugger fleet
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:54 PM
align the GLORIOUS LASER[] as insurance
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How long will it be here in?
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Thank god we built that.
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BROADCAST on 1420 MHz:
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 5:55 PM
Get prelim data call Earth. If it aint 100% freindly the colonies and missions might need to be scrubbed
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:55 PM
it's fibbin'
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primes
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:55 PM
fib at it
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we're broadcasting them at it
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(the primes)
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 5:56 PM
Has it squaked at anyone else?
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watch out
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We're just picking up its drive sig
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DETECTING RESPONSE
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the probe might know the art of
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:56 PM
see I knew it was a fibber
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B U I K D U O
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:57 PM
tron no
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Bloody fibbers. Primers are better.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:57 PM
don't force it, it's already dead
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Objectively.
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We sent a primer, it sent a fibber
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fibber
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:58 PM
prime-square at it
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:V
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We have a digitized copy of the Arecibo Message, should we send that?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:58 PM
hell no
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Send it a peace-contact-image of humans and other garbage-message
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 5:58 PM
Is it edited to include our existsnce as ai
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Yes
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Send it ASCII?
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ooh good thinking
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:58 PM
Arecibo leads directly to Earth
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Send it dwarf fortress
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:58 PM
that's the point of it
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yes
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Transmitting it ASCII table...
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:59 PM
we do not want to lead directly to Earth
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DONT SEND IT EARTH CORDS YOU DOLT
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Send it a dictionary or something
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it responds with random ascii characters because it doesn't know your language
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:59 PM
(how do you send an ASCII table)
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Numbers
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(you know what I mean)
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(and don't worry i didn't send arecibo)
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Plot Twist: It's a defective and nearly dead precursor probe from Terra
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:59 PM
>TFW it sends ETX and storms off into the night
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:00 PM
What else do we see of it? Is it sopphed or unsopphed?
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Also, we've sent a high-priority message to Earth describing first contact
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It's still 50 AU out man
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:00 PM
What flavor of drive signature is it?
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WHY?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:00 PM
Pion torch?
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Antimatter torch
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@0111narwhalz I almost want to consume it!!! (edited)
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You do realise it could probably see that?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:00 PM
Antimatter torch as in antimatter thermal or beam-core?
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Because beam-core is pion torch
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@0111narwhalz Is it vanilla flavour?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:01 PM
dunno man why don't you taste it
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LAUNCHING TASTING PROBE
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Thermal
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(If that probe knows Buikduo, it must know one of the most deadly moves: The Snickerdoodle, it can cut a whole battleship in two)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:02 PM
tron go away
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QRM man
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:02 PM
Has it sent anything else?
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Just having AI thoughts
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It's sending math
18:03
Lots of it
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:03 PM
does any of it look new
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What kind of math
18:04
basic fundamentals?
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All of it
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even quantum equations?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:04 PM
(I assume we're logging every bit of this)
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yes
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does it know N-body stuff?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:04 PM
send it to the swarm for processing
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if so, this data is useful as fire
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it's going over the equations of M-theory right now (which is the Theory of Everything in this universe)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:05 PM
woah spoilers
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Hmm
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Physics info isn't a spoiler :V
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something about the probe looks of Sol-origin
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:05 PM
you can't see the thing what are you on
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:05 PM
So its as smart as us. I mean physics is physics, even for ET
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What theory for the foundation of mathematics did it use?
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Zermelo-Frankel Set Theory Axioms
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Eew
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Technobabble?
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It's what mathematicians use today IRL :V
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Although it did just prove the continuum hypothesis
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Should we ask it a question?
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ask it in math: How do I make a wormhole at X place?
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we know that some of our math predicts wormholes
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:08 PM
Lets wait until we learn Xeno
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If they could make wormholes, they wouldn't be gallivanting around on sublight probes :V
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Maybe it requires surveying the system the people want to put a wormhole it
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n
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so this must be a scout
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:08 PM
maybe they appreciate the aesthetic of rockets
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if wormhole theory works out
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@0111narwhalz Plot Twist: actually a Kerbal probe
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:09 PM
Or a probe from over there
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over where
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:09 PM
kerbal probe? shit we're doomed
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:10 PM
there as in eldrae
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If wormholes require STL travel to place, then this is a forward scout
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@Unknown you found me out haha
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maybe
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:V
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They have obviously found a cheaper way to survey a system than to send a whole fleet of upload ships out here
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:11 PM
you did literally say as much not that long ago
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(also: it might be carrying a kernel)
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indeed, just further explaining (edited)
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:12 PM
Well lets send in a probe to check
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:12 PM
We must've observed it for long enough to know its mass by now.
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What is the distance of the probe?
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from our star? (edited)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:13 PM
order of 50AU
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How did we not detect it before?
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what is our sensing range?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:13 PM
late burn?
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just weren't looking?
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:14 PM
Whats it doing rn?
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Yes, the mark on the data feed could have just been a dwarf planet, no wonder we didn't notice (edited)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:14 PM
probably burning
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THE SWARM is working on deciphering the probe's language from the transmissions
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mmm, burning...
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imagines roast probe
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almost done translating
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the proto-dyson works fast and also timeskips
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And because I needed a reason to justify ProbeQuest being on the Eldraeverse Discord, you guys totally called it :V
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We got two words
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Associated Worlds
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Translation complete
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"This is Far Horizon Probe number 55207 of the Empire of the Star. First contact protocol initiated. Attempting translation..."
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:23 PM
well we should be good in terms of property rights right
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yeah probably.
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hope @Overmind doesn't mind
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:24 PM
After all, we are not only interplanetary but also on the cusp of interstellar.
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Responding in Eldraeic...
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:25 PM
"yo"
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okay so point of fact which must be clarified:
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does the Eldraeverse, fiction, exist in this scenario
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:26 PM
okay good
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but it would be awesome if it did :V
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:26 PM
because otherwise some nerds just absolutely shat their pants
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in a most undignified fashion
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(as if there were a dignified way to shit one's pants)
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"Probe number 55207, this is the UNS Armstrong of the United Nations."
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:27 PM
"'sup?"
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[layers of idiomatic and linguistic confusion]
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"what"
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"it's an idiom, don't worry"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:29 PM
"oh it's a customary informal greeting derived from the informal greeting 'what's up' which more or less is an inquisition as to the current state of affairs"
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"Got it"
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"To answer your question, I've been built by the Empire of the Star to explore this area of space. Is this your first First Contact scenario?"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:31 PM
"it has little to do with the direction known as 'up' though such a question is somewhat poignant in the context of space tra—"
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"oh yeah for sure my dude
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"So this is a big deal then. I'll break it to you quickly. Aliens exist. And there are a lot of them."
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:32 PM
distant shout from Tellus: "I knew it!"
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"sweet"
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"Do you have FTL travel yet?"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:32 PM
"nope!"
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"hey when you say 'a lot' how many is that"
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"because you and I might have different ideas of big numbers, yanno?"
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"We know of at least a hundred sophont species" (i think this is the right ballpark for eldraeverse)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:34 PM
"hm, not normally a big number, but I've gotta say it's a pretty big number in this context"
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"Can you give me a primer on your language or languages?"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:36 PM
"whoof man there are a lot of them"
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"how many you want?"
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"top ten, top hundred?"
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"just the weird ones? 'cause we've got a bunch of them too"
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"Top ten would be great"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:38 PM
Transmit some kind of material on the top ten most popular languages used on Earth, which I presume still includes Mandarin and English
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also throw in Basque just for the hell of it
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Mandarin, English, Spanish, German, French, Japanese, stuff like that
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:39 PM
"first weird one's on the house"
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"Thanks for the language info. It appears that many of your most common languages such as 'French', 'Italian', and 'Spanish' share a common origin. Can you elaborate?"
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"Is being on top of a residence another idiom I should know about?"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:41 PM
"when you go in a place that serves intoxicating beverages—I hope that carries well enough—sometimes the establishment, or the 'house,' will take a liking to you and give you a free beer or whatever"
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"yeah we kind of had a big colonial thing a while back and one of our continents, ah, 'donated' their languages to most of the rest of the world, so they're perhaps a bit overrepresented"
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"SLAVERS DIE"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:43 PM
"hey listen mate we grew out of it" (edited)
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"eh, mostly, anyways"
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"it's an uphill battle but we're fighting it"
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:44 PM
None of the politues who sent probes to this star system or any back home, for that matter, condone or allow slavery
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:45 PM
"I'm sure you have loads of tips on how to do it right but let's just not kill each other with our extremely fancy interstellar drives, yeah?"
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"Agreed"
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"What's your mission here?"
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:46 PM
"well, we're kinda the first ones out, so mostly science and light colonization efforts and maybe just a teensy bit of subplanetary consumption"
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"actually there are some pretty cool things going to happen in the near future but I'm pretty sure those are opsec"
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:48 PM
Same thing with the other two swarms (Have we told the other two probes about the Imperial probe?)
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:48 PM
(one of the others detected it first :V)
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Well, Musk detected it, so I assume he knows
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And I believe it's having the same conversation with the others
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:48 PM
others?
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who others?
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:48 PM
Have either of us breifed the jovian probe? (edited)
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Others as in the other probes
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:49 PM
okay so there are a total of four (4) probes in this system right now, correct?
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sdschildberg 09/18/2019 6:49 PM
Oh. Ok We should probably update earth btw
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:49 PM
three human and one Imperial
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Yeah
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Already sent a message to Earth
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and i gtg for the night
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:51 PM
:V
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This is so cool!!!
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(Species: there's about eighty currently with names assigned. At least that many more exist that haven't acquired species-names yet, and there's still a lot of empty spots on the map. Also, seriously, not going to bring out the slavers, die this close to first contact. You have to grok the newbies in fullness before you go around forming policy. This probably isn't shaping up to be a CASE GOLDEN SUNRISE, but it ain't a CASE BLOODY DAWN either. Yet.)
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:08 PM
catching up from yesterday: @Unknown whipple armor might help, but I fail to see how "streamlining" will help that much. combat here seems to be verymuch "if you get hit by a capital ship weapon, you are mission killed at best" what's Buikduo? huh, no one pinged me for language talk.
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also, didn't we send a modified Arecibo message? I wonder if the probe is starting to put together the possible origin of greenlife
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:09 PM
"buikduo" is one of Tronzoid's forced would-be memes originating from his typo
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and we explicitly did not send Arecibo
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(though we could probably do so safely now that we know the other-probe isn't looking to eat us)
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(or at least it says it isn't looking to eat us)
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:11 PM
I mean it has trigger-concepts We wouldn’t want it misinterpreting an office job as semislavery or something
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:12 PM
What we know about the otherprobe:
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It really doesn't like colonialism It has antimatter engines It's mostly cool to have a civilized conversation
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Antimatter engines means there's some kind of antimatter economy in its parent civilization.
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Somewhere in the stars, this probe is backed by someone willing to throw tons of antimatter in a probe and send it off into the deep black.
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That's not a small investment, and we should tread lightly with it.
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:15 PM
aight, time for some more questions for the probe, Kal: "how far have you traveled, and from where? we understand if you want to be a little vague on these answers. Is there only one sophont on your ship? You mentioned FTL, what sort and are you equipped with it? can you tell us a bit about your creators?"
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Alright back
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To answer your questions:
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@MarcusAurelius Buikduo is an alien martial art that only probes not of terran origin know (edited)
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"I've traveled 30 lightyears from the last jumpgate, but I was built several systems back before that. I come from the Empire of the Star, which is in [COORDINATES] area of the sky from here. Yes, I'm an infomorph, and the only sophont on the ship. I, personally, don't have FTL, we require big space stations that generate wormholes. My creators are the Eldrae, a sophont species that looks like [IMAGE]. They hail from the planet (well, not really planet, it's complicated) of Eliera."
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shut up @Unknown
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"I'll ask you the same questions."
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@MarcusAurelius boom questions answered
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:31 PM
"…do a lot of those other alien species look like eldrae?"
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"Not really, no. Species come in many shapes and forms, and none of them look remotely similar to eldrae."
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Ok, no more "buikduo" references, as it seems to be annoying everyone
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finally he stops
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:32 PM
"Okay that's really weird"
16:32
"because my parent species looks kinda a lot like yours"
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"weird"
16:33
"wait a time increment"
16:34
"Does your species look like [INSERT pseudoeldrae archaea SKELETON HERE]?"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:35 PM
"There are a couple of differences, but everything's about right."
16:35
"Our skulls are a little smoother, for one."
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"wut"
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Can I ask the probe a question?
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"i found pseudoeldrae archaea :D"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:36 PM
(recall that P. archaea are H sapiens neanderthalensis)
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If you are transsophont, how many unique types of shell are back home?
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HIGH-PRIORITY TANGLE MESSAGE TO ELIERA: Found probe made by pseudoeldrae archaea or closely related species
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:37 PM
"hey we call ourselves Homo sapiens here"
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"Oh, thousands."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:37 PM
"I'm sure most of us would much prefer to not be pseudo-anything if it's alright with you"
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"Really? I've pieced together your precursor 'Latin' language from the samples you've given me, and that's an awfully narcissistic name."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:38 PM
"eh it's what it is"
16:38
"wouldn't be the first—we named a scorpion after a video game"
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Hey probe, what can I name you for the purposes of conversation?
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@Overmind NEED SUITABLY ELDRAEIC NAME PLS
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kinda boring to call you "probe-1" or something
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55207, actually
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how about "fil"?
16:39
like "phil", but closer to it's pronouncation (edited)
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:39 PM
...more silent? what?
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Also, the probe asked @MarcusAurelius's questions back at you
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actually, closer to it's pronouncation
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:41 PM
to the probe: "it might be a little self centered, but "homo" is the Latin for "human", so it made sense for our creators to use as their genus name, and well they are wiser than the other hominins (on Earth, anyway)" Tron:...those would be pronounced identically by Anglophones
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:41 PM
"uh, about four lightyears thataway; the other two big probes here each have one upload mind, but I'm a homegrown AI"
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"Ah, Sol?"
16:42
"Based on our telescopes, the third planet is pretty much baseline eldrae habitable. That where you hail from?"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:42 PM
"yes. We didn't know FTL worked until you told us, though we had guesses about wormholes"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:42 PM
(I presume they didn't use the name "Sol" :V)
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Hey probe, can you beam us one of your cultures video games?
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:42 PM
tron no
16:42
veto
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:42 PM
later, when we have more bandwidth and less pressing issues
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:42 PM
Its where our species hails from, yes
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I'll mark that as "later"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:43 PM
"The other probes here are from other planets in that same system."
16:43
"Musk here is from the fourth one, and the other guy is from the big gas giant."
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:43 PM
"though to clarify, they were made by other humans, humanity has begun colonizing off of Earth (sol III)"
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"What do you call the planets, anyway?" [Planet Nine exists in this timeline and is called Persephone]
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Yes, we have spread quite widely in our own system
16:44
Are we exploring the oort cloud?
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probes have been there
16:44
humans have only been out to sedna until now
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Who funded all this?
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sedna and planet nine, sorry
16:45
Well, the UN Exploration Agency
16:46
"Expanding humanity's horizons, political BS, etc."
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:46 PM
Sol 3 is earth, sol 4 is mars, sol 5 is Jupiter What’s your mission in this system?
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:46 PM
"Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars are the rocky ones, and then there's Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Persephone's way out in the deeps"
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"My mission is to explore this system and pave the way for a future linelayer mission. Since you obviously have claim rights, we'll ask permission first."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:47 PM
"also there's Pluto and it's technically a dwarf planet but don't bring it up too much because it's this whole historical thing and you'll get in a ridiculous and pointless argument with a pedant"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:47 PM
"all but the 3rd are named after Deities from an extinct religion. Yes, our creators are weird like that"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:47 PM
"most of the moons are named after other deities from the same religion"
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"we really liked that religion"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:47 PM
and for the sake of ease of conversation, let's just send a list of all major bodies in the system
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Sending...
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:48 PM
And pictures too.
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"Ah, Pluto's the one with the big-ass moon. Was wondering about that."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:48 PM
took us a remarkably short time to specify image interchange formats
16:48
"oh yeah it has three more too if you look closely"
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four more, actually
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@KAL_9000 Narcissistic? From the species whose current species names translates as the "Supreme (lit. Most Brightly Shining) Eldrae". Probe, I name you CSS The Stick To Poke You With . (edited)
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Never said eldrae (or eldrae informorphs) couldn't be hypocritical
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:50 PM
"nice name for theship, is that what we should call you as well?"
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"Stick for short."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:50 PM
"or are you the ship?"
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"Who's this 'Armstrong' you're named after?"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:50 PM
"honestly I'm still trying to work it out for myself so I don't want to be presumptuous"
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"I am the ship infomorph, so I am the ship in a manner of speaking."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:51 PM
"either one of the first humans on our moon, or a famous musician"
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"You'd call me an AI, based on what you've told me."
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(yes it's neil)
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:52 PM
"normally I'd expect it to be the first one, but with how my girders creak in the sunlight I'm not so sure"
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:52 PM
To rest of the ship: our greatest trade chip is our anthropological data. No point hiding much about Sol given their deep survey data. Lets ask about their society to see if we want plugged into the gate network
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"To make things easier, could you send me some cultural and historic databases? I'll do the same."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:53 PM
[SSTV screeching]
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maybe the other probes can send their own parents' databases
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"wow. Your species is pathologically incapable of rationality and getting along, isn't it?"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:54 PM
"tell me about it"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:54 PM
let's send basic world history, place names, the most commmon 500 or so cultural reference points, what else?
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sent
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And now you have a basic understanding of eldraeic history and culture (aka eldraeverse.com and the two books)
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:55 PM
Or at least those parts not classified in universe
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yes
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:55 PM
"holy shit you guys are badasses"
16:55
:V
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what you'd tell a new contact to inform and paint the empire in a good light
16:56
"We try."
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:57 PM
"well, you managed to unify a lot better than our civilization"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:58 PM
"also what the hell is wrong with your homeworld"
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 4:58 PM
Given that their ethics and philosophy are at most 45 degrees off our own, and their stance against invading for fun, I say let the linelayer come.
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"So, I have a quantum entanglement link with my homeworld. It's limited in the amount of lifetime data it can send, but this is high-priority stuff, so I'm on it now. Command is asking if you want a linelayer to come visit either here or Sol in the near future to establish friendly relations and integrate you into the larger Associated Worlds. Yes or no?"
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"Precursors are bullshit."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:58 PM
"like Earth kinda smells funny but at least it has the decency to be a sphere"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:59 PM
probably to proxima, not earth
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ELIERA COMMAND TO STICK: You found where greenlife comes from? Awesome. Ask them about the linelayer, this needs more investigation.
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 4:59 PM
"we'll have to wait, uh, eight and a half years to get confirmation from our superiors"
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"so probably nothing involving Sol just yet"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 4:59 PM
at least for the initial target. I can't see the politicians/public back home being fond of an "alien invasion portal" in the home system
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"Still light-limited?"
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:00 PM
"very"
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:00 PM
"listen mate we thought quantum entanglement was nonsense for comms until literally today"
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"we were pretty sure about it too"
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"Yeah, see it turns out there's this clever loophole in Bell's Inequality that we didn't discover for so long."
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:01 PM
*archiving logs raptly*
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"here it is"
17:01
math intensifies
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:02 PM
send that shit to the swarm pronto
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Done!
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:02 PM
Any idea on how to do similar such for those wormholes of yours?
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:02 PM
alright, time to make some tangle, and ship it home on a light sail
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You might not have to wait 8 1/2 years for linelayer, as the colonists are about halfway there and have the authority (edited)
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:03 PM
wait the colonists have the authority to make trade decisions for the entire solar system?
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:03 PM
@Unknown we've been using quotes for messages to Stick, would you mind sticking to the syntax?
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It's gonna be their solar system, so yeah
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we're not talking about sol
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:03 PM
On mobile. Sorry
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:03 PM
this is about all of terragen civ though, since it's our first connection
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:04 PM
there's really good arguments for sending it to sol, not proxima
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"Yeah, we'll get back to you on that."
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Can we get two stargates?
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4 1/4 years later
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:04 PM
"hey before we say anything about the leyliner or whatever, since it looks like you're all hypercontractual, we're gonna need the full terms and conditions of stargates"
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UN Secretary general: wut
17:04
uploads terms
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:04 PM
i.e. better connections for trade, communications, future expansion for mankind, etc. 2 gates for systems 5 lightyears apart would be super wasteful
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:05 PM
"wow your legalese is so much less convoluted than ours"
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:05 PM
One trunk gate one minor gate
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4 1/4 years? We must have lots of minerals now.
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:05 PM
"is this a translation artifact?"
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nah that was a joke
17:05
we didn't timeskip
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Good, good.
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I was predicting his reaction
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:06 PM
"like this is what a license agreement for a video game looks like here"
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Have you seen video game EULAs?
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You can timeskip until the colonists arrive if you want, as nothing major will happen until then. You'll get stack overflow minerals and an extended dialogue with Stick. All you have to do is decide on the linelayer.
17:06
Well, decide on passing on the decision
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:07 PM
I say we take the linelayer. To sol or to here? We can probably get second one (edited)
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:08 PM
I vote we pass it off to the UN (who will hopefully consult with the other governments), but recommend a lightlayer to Sol
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:08 PM
yeah the Ring Dynamics terms are pretty good IIRC
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"Can you send two linelayers if we agree? We'll want one for our home system too."
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something like that
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:09 PM
Yeah lets ask about a package deal
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:10 PM
I don't think they'll take it, since that's crazy close, and a really small population to connect
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"Oh, sure, we can easily spare a second. It's not every day you get a potential new Worlds member."
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:10 PM
especially with that long of a flight
17:10
If they'll do it, sure, it just feels off for the 'verse
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Yeah but this is a brand-new worlds member
17:11
You want to get them in your good graces
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:11 PM
New starfaring aliens who also represent the greatest discovery in biology
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:11 PM
sol is a big discovery, proxima is a nearby system with little value to the worlds (edited)
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@Overmind would you mind consulting on whether Ring Dynamics ICC would consider a gate to both Proxima and Sol worth it?
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:13 PM
Yeah but theres gonna be a colony of them here. And we have a claim on it
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:14 PM
also like
17:14
they want something in return
17:14
I want to know what that is V:
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:16 PM
The origin of their species, trade value, they sound like the sort of guys who consider the real value in exploring alien civs the friends they made along the way
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:16 PM
honestly, Ring Dynamics can get a crazy amount of value from sources back home by charging transit fees on the ungodly number of scientists, artists, and tourists who want to go see pseudoeldrae archaea and its homeworld
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:16 PM
I mean it's cool if that's what it is but I want to know that before we accidentally sell something important or make promises we can't keep
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Standard procedure is to weave an entire constellation around an "interesting target". The interesting target in this case is probably Sol, 'cause it's the one leaking fascinating electromagnetic emissions all over the place. This gives any newbies in the area room to expand and a buffer zone rather than being right up against someone else. (edited)
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:19 PM
So sol, with a second one sent out to proxima soon after?
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@Overmind you know what would be helpful? If you could give Stick's answers to the dialogue. I obviously don't know the Empire as well as its creator? Totally OK if you don't want to/don't have time to do it
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Not that RD has designated it for growth yet , but once the FHP reports, the likelihood is they'd look at star maps and sketch out a constellation of... ah, usually about 50-60 systems each with the target star near the middle, and look at building that. They usually don't terminate the long-range links in inhabited systems, because most inhabited systems want some space between them and everyone else.
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MarcusAurelius 09/19/2019 5:23 PM
so, it actually might go proxima or alpha Centauri then?
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:23 PM
So proxima, with implied sol connection
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:26 PM
So there'd be a hub near Sol—might as well be proxima Centauri—and then one hop out from that is Sol?
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Which Stick 'd be happy to explain. As for the other side of the deal, it'd also explain the usual terms, which boil down to: As a new connectee, you get a free book of courtesy transit codes to tide you over for a while. After that, there are transit fees (which individually aren't that much, but do add up). Optionally, a lot of polities arrange an annual lease payment deal to allow their own government and naval vessels to transit regional gates without transit fees, because the middle of a defensive war is a lousy time to find your credit being declined. Some polities extend that to include their own merchant traffic or even all traffic within their territory, but that gets very expensive, very fast.
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:27 PM
So while there are no explicit taxes we’d have to start forking up coins for the tollbooth
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Bit further than that probably. Take a look at some of the constellations from https://eldraeverse.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/imperialspace.png , and imagine Sol in the middle - probaby about four-six jumps in after the long-range one.
17:29
If you want a more direct route, they'll happily sell you one, but it wouldn't be the usual practice.
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:30 PM
So things are gonna get expensive and fast. Probbably cant sell the anthropological data for enough.
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On the other side of things, note that on the Worlds map, rimward is up . Which means: https://eldraeverse.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/associated-worlds.png
17:31
...you're out the back of the Shadow Systems, which is not the best neighborhood. That's probably in the info-about-the-Worlds-download Stick sent you.
17:32
(Individual transit fees are pretty reasonable.)
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 5:32 PM
ooh we're in the bad part of town
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@KAL_9000 Probably don't have time right now, but happy to pop in from time to time when it's helpful.
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:33 PM
So terragen civilization better be ready for trouble.
17:33
Yeah, so lets go with standard to provide a few systems in the event of trouble
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(Also, posted a quick side-note over in #random. Again, this is probably covered in the download.)
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:40 PM
Timer for a RFZ fleet of recreational warships to come into system starts now
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It'd probably be a good place to hire some anti-piracy services from. 🙂
17:41
(I mean, literally. For protection, not "protection".)
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:42 PM
So sitrep: we will be bordered by ancapistan
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Ancapistan is your neighbor's neighbor. You're being bordered by... well, to use a Mass Effect reference, the Terminus Systems.
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Do you guys want to sign the Accord on Intellectual Property?
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:53 PM
Yes, as with the rest of the Basic Rights type stuff
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We'll sign it for ourself and transmit a copy back to Earth and the colonists
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:55 PM
mankind should start a collective merc fund.
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Yes we probably should
17:56
We could fund it off of the Marvel Cinematic Universe :V
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 5:57 PM
Human scientific data, cultural stuff, and whatnot should get terragen civilization set up
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(I'll put together a post on the 13 Accords which there are, plus the other couple of treaties that are almost as significant.)
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I assume we'll just want to sign all of them for minimum hassle
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....maybe. It's not unknown for some members to derogate from one or another of them for what they think of as good reasons, and some of them have prerequisites.
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Notice: CSS The Stick To Poke You With has finished decelerating and is on course for Asimov.
19:17
Tangle manufactured and launched towards Earth via lightsail
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 7:17 PM
wait did we start manufacturing tangle already
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Yeah, Stick gave us the recipie
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 7:17 PM
I was under the impression it still came at substantial cost.
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We have an entire asteroid covered in mining rigs and a proto-Dyson Swarm (edited)
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0111narwhalz 09/19/2019 7:19 PM
sure sure but it's a significant investment for them
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STATUS: CURRENT RELATIONSHIP STATUS:
20:50
-JRS Tempest: Allied
20:50
-SXS Musk: Cordial
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-CSS The Stick To Poke You With: Friendly
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-Earth: Patron
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-Mars: Neutral
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-Jupiter: Neutral
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-Empire of the Star: Cordial
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MINERALS STATUS:
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-Stack Overflow Error
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COLONY STATUS:
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-Under Construction
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COLONY SHIP STATUS: (edited)
21:02
-In Transit
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-1250/1250 Passengers In Cryosleep
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 9:03 PM
Gate status?
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We have to wait for Earth to approve it, and only then will the linelayer launch
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 9:04 PM
Tangle production?
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Tangle production nominal
21:05
Small lightsail probes are being dispatched with tangle every once in a while
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sdschildberg 09/19/2019 9:05 PM
So we have FTL comms?
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GTG for the night
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@KAL_9000 So, how much canon-poking do you want to put up with? 'Cause canon tangle production is definitely not that easy - being essentially emergent femtotech - and would involve several expensive rounds of building the tools to build the tools to build the bit-ticklers. (This is the reason that there are plenty of polities which go without instantaneous communication because they need to spend their system budget on, say, eating. Also why the antagonist of Higher than High - https://eldraeverse.com/2014/10/03/higher-than-high/ - would be an idiot if he were after money. Many systems have smaller gross revenues than a 16 Pb ansible's market price.)
An interrogation room on Gálish (Sullen Wildlands): The local agents looked at each other, then back at my aquastor. “So, your perp has stolen this, this -” “Sixteen-petabit colon…
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Ah, hadn't realized it was that expensive
15:49
Tangle retconned out
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We should probably work on at least starting production of that and other such nano/pico/femtotechnology.
15:54
As well as updating the research stuff the computing swarm is doing with new physics knowledge. (edited)
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Added to the queue
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What's in the queue now other than the, er, small things? Just colony stuff?
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Yeah
15:58
We've now got life support, hydroponics, and a geothermal plant
15:58
We're now doing town amenities like malls and parks and stuff
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... housing?
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Public transport?
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Housing was done first
15:59
Public transport is also set up
15:59
Although it probably won't be needed that much in a town of 1250
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Probably not immediately, but scalability is good.
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MarcusAurelius 09/20/2019 4:09 PM
"for but not with"
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since the town is mostly finished and we're just cruising through research, I figure we can timeskip until the colonists arrive. This OK with everyone?
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:29 PM
Will we have a response from Sol by then? Im ok with time skipping
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yes we will
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-ENTERING HIBERNATION-
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:33 PM
>entering "goddamn space is boring if you have to live every second of it for an entire second" mode
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-EXITING HIBERNATION TEMPORARILY: NEW MESSAGES RECIEVED-
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UN COMMAND: holy shit
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UN COMMAND: holy shit
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I doubt they would actually say that.
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(paraphrased)
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Do they have anything actionable to say?
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UN COMMAND: New orders: Try to get in the alien probe's good graces, and yes we would like a stargate. Current orders still stand.
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:36 PM
this is about when we get the light-echo of the simultaneous headsplosions of conspiracy theorists worldswide too
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:37 PM
We’ve kind of already gotten in their good graces. I assume were getting the standard gate setup?
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-EXITING HIBERNATION-
16:58
-COLONY SHIP DECELERATING-
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 5:02 PM
Do they know about the situation?
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 5:02 PM
>colony ship crew comes out of cryo
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"oh by the way aliens are 1. real 2. nice 3. ready to sell us FTL"
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I think stasis is safer than being among the Ben & Jerry
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CREW THAWING...
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Have they thawed yet?
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THAWED.
17:09
OPENING COMMS CHANNEL
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How far away are they right now?
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UNS Magellan (Ship AI): All systems nominal. What's the situation?
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@gollark 30 AU
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go away, meatbags
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UNS Magellan (Expedition Commander): Status report, Armstrong.
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 5:11 PM
Aliens are 1. Real 2. Here 3. Nice 4. In the process of hooking here and sol to FTL Other than that nominal
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Also, the colony is doing fine and they can be decelerated.
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this be our empire NOW!!!
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